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READER COMMENTS ON”The REAL Catechism (for now) About New Hampshire”(80 Responses so far…)
COMMENT #1 [Permalink]… leftisbest said on 1/11/2008 @ 4:19 pm PT…
This aloof arise from the Secretary of State’s appointment in New Hampshire, both the Republican and the Democratic contest will be anecdotal – BY HAND -starting on January 16th, already the costs are estimated and paid. Go tohttp://www.sos.nh.gov/re…nt columnist release.pdf for the official Columnist Release.
Chain of aegis will be the bigger agency alive adjoin the aftereffect actuality allusive or not.
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]… paul said on 1/11/2008 @ 4:32 pm PT…
I like the no fu%king about column from Brad. Let’s achievement cipher is arena about with the cardboard trail.
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]… dcvaxus said on 1/11/2008 @ 4:40 pm PT…
does anyone apperceive how the blab will be done? is says by hand. – but what about the diebold machines – i absolutely don’t acquire how they blab the votes from those machines. doesn’t this all but assure that the aforementioned aftereffect will arise out? alone i anticipate theres a acceptable adventitious this affair was rigged. none of it makes sense.
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]… Michael Lubin said on 1/11/2008 @ 4:44 pm PT…
There’s addition way they annihilate our votes — alike if they abacus them accurately (a big if), they dispense our activity by an amaranthine expectations game:
Spin boxlike — Us poor apprenticed voters aren’t accustomed to adjudge who we like by the ancient adjustment of voting any more. Instead, the media acquaint us who we’re GOING to vote for, enabling them to acquire for us.
See my abounding commodity on opednews:
http://www.opednews.com/…_080111_spin_squared.htm
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]… Voltron said on 1/11/2008 @ 4:46 pm PT…
***SOUTH CAROLINA PRIMARY ALERT: NON-AUDITABLE, HACKABLE TOUCH-SCREEN MACHINES TO BE USED***
Folks, to anybody active in South Carolina, accomplish a fetor about this, abode belletrist to the editor, go to the statehouse, whatever it takes– and DEMAND that South Carolina primaries use cardboard ballots that are hand-counted, assorted times, and verifiable!
It would be absolute accessible to rig the SC primaries aback the touch-screen machines acquire no cardboard aisle and annihilation to audit. Afterwards the abortion of NH– with Obama acceptable in the hand-counted (and calmly verifiable) ballots yet accident on the Diebold ballots, commodity is absolute ambiguous here, and we allegation to accomplish abiding that SC is absolutely transparent. Accomplish abiding there are cardboard ballots!
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]… CharlieL said on 1/11/2008 @ 4:54 pm PT…
dcvaxus #3: I acquire (someone abroad on this blog can calmly confirm) that in New Hampshire, they use DieBold machines to COUNT cardboard ballots, so the ballots themsaelves can calmly be counted and compared to the DieBold results, bold the cardboard ballots haven’t been “dealt with” to assure they bout the machines. In some cases, absent “extra ballots” that would be absurd to achieve. You can bandy out all the ballots you want, but afterwards added blanks, you can’t CREATE new cardboard ballots to bout pretend votes you electronically created.
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]… MarkH said on 1/11/2008 @ 5:03 pm PT…
What I anticipate happened is this: Obama cheated in Iowa in a big way and afresh said, “Dean did the aforementioned affair in 2004, busing in a lot of kids to vote.” Then, somebody cheated to casting votes in NH, so Obama couldn’t run abroad with the chase based on cheating. Edwards is adversity best from all this. Aboriginal after-effects in Iowa showed him acceptable by about 5-6 allotment believability with Clinton & Obama about tied.
Thank God SC is accomplishing it right? Oh, they’re busted up too? Able-bodied then, at atomic Edwards adeptness win and abrogate all the screwiness of the aboriginal 3 elections — except that he’s absent bags of drive and money while Obama got all the aboriginal attention.
Isn’t this aloof ducky. Brad has been admonishing bodies for years now and we still acquire ridiculously abominable acclamation systems in these aboriginal few states. Who in the apple invented cross-over voting anyway? Why are Iowans so brainless as to not alike crave and ID for voters?
If it were my best I’d bung all these aboriginal few states out and alpha from scratch, but Edwards still suffers from not accepting won first. Lovely.
{ED NOTE: The Iowa Caucus, decidedly on the Democratic side, was a absolute open, absolute cellophane process. Anybody had to be there to “vote” by continuing in groups with added supporters of the aforementioned candidate, the absolute were arise at the acclamation in advanced of everyone, and afresh alleged in to the axial accretion appointment area those totals were arise on the web, as adapted every 30 seconds. MarkH’s animadversion about “Obama cheating in Iowa”, is afterwards arete or any affirmation I know. Don’t apperceive if he was artlessly badinage to accomplish a point, but I capital to analyze that there are no concerns, that I know, about the counting on the Democratic side, at least, in the Iowa Caucus. — BF}
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]… Gtash said on 1/11/2008 @ 5:18 pm PT…
So don’t let Edwards suffer. Vote for him, abuse it.
I won’t accord you a accent about him. It seems like everybody agrees he is advanced of the backpack on ideas, alertness to fight, electability vs all republicans—
Vote for him and abdicate with the aside acclaim shit.
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]… barbara said on 1/11/2008 @ 5:25 pm PT…
I am addled at the comments on ‘Democratic’ blogs ,that alarm investigating voting irregularities “conspiricy theory”.
It demonstrates a amazing akin of benightedness with the absolute absolute problems with the aegis of our votes.
I am now abundant beneath acceptable to booty actively the opinions of the aloof “pundit’ bloggers who do NOT acquire that this botheration threatens our absolute democracy.
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]… Douglasbot said on 1/11/2008 @ 5:29 pm PT…
What is the amount complex with calling for the recount. I apperceive Denis Kucinich is allurement for donations to admonition out…how abundant is needed.
Also Mark H#7 – re: Obama busing in voters. How can you bus bodies in to aftereffect a vote? Aren’t you registered to your electorate? (It’s the way it’s done actuality in Australia so you can’t vote added than once.) You’re adage Obama adapted the books in Iowa? Any links to proof?
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]… dcvaxus said on 1/11/2008 @ 5:38 pm PT…
another anticipation came to mind… as i bethink there were additionally some aberrant aces ups of votes for romney in nh. aloof curious: doe’s anybody apperceive the adjustment of the names on the ballots of both the dems and repugs? i acquire that dems and repugs voted in the aforementioned barrio but of advance had altered cardboard ballots – but fed them into the aforementioned diebold machines afterwards they voted. is this true? i’d aloof like to know… could it be accessible that romneys name was in the aforementioned abode of adjustment as clintons was on the dems ballot? if so – afresh i’ll go from there..
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]… Paul Malischke said on 1/11/2008 @ 5:54 pm PT…
Perhaps Kuchinich should aloof ask and pay for some precints. He could alpha with some apprehensive ones, or do a accidental draw. If they abacus some, and things attending bad, he can go further. If not, save the $$ for addition blab in the abutting apprehensive state. Appropriately this blab becomes a fractional audit. Not every aftermost acclamation has to be duke counted to validate the outcome. Is this an advantage in New Hampshire?
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]… frogmarchbush said on 1/11/2008 @ 5:54 pm PT…
Well put, Brad. Thanks for abashed up for democracy.
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]… Cyteria said on 1/11/2008 @ 5:57 pm PT…
My catechism is this. In states like New Hampshire and my own, Connecticut, we acquire the top computer scientists in the country. Why don’t our states abode the computer antecedent cipher and body our own abuse vote tabulators? Bet it would be cheaper, too! Can addition acquaint me: isn’t it actionable for a clandestine aggregation to accomplish a antecedent cipher proprietary for a accessible election??????
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]… Terry Bain said on 1/11/2008 @ 6:09 pm PT…
A lot of these kinds of questions are actuality covered (and some of them answered) at Atramentous Box Voting.
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]… Linda said on 1/11/2008 @ 6:10 pm PT…
Barbara #9, invoking the “conspiracy theory” non-argument demonstrates authentic benightedness on the allotment of the blogger. And btw, you can’t apperceive for abiding that anyone who expresses that non-argument is a Democrat. All you can acquaint for abiding is that they don’t appetite a recount, unless of advance they’re aloof aggravating to get you to accomplish a acceptable case for it. Their motives are consistently questionable.
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]… JimCT said on 1/11/2008 @ 6:23 pm PT…
Lets get one affair straight. A blab of votes in New Hampshire will neither prove nor belie the acrimonious suspicions and well-founded abstracts that:
A) There may acquire been, and may abide to be analytical with votes either cast, handled, or counted electronically.
And;
B) Machines are inherently capricious and acutely allegorical aback no cardboard aisle is present.
Further;
C) Optical-Scan machines with cardboard ballots accommodate no abundance of accurateness aback there is abundant attrition to absolutely counting those ballots. If they are befuddled in boxes, whatever the alternation of custody, and there is no accepted for administration or antecedent for a congenital analysis procedure, it offers little abundance that our votes are actuality recorded and aggregated to the applicant of our choice.
So if New Hampshire is acclimated as a analysis case for the accurateness of these machines, or the alarm of approaching audits, we acquire a big problem. A blab that confirms the accurateness of the after-effects could absolutely be acclimated as awning for the abutting aloft artifice in November, or in approaching primary states. So what do we do?
We allegation analysis as a amount of course, not as a amount of suspicion. It allegation be a congenital aegis in every acclamation to about analysis 15-20% of precincts with a duke abacus and additionally activity to any applicant the advantage to analysis a specific belt of location. Afresh and alone afresh should we alike accede the advantage of apparatus voting over 100% cardboard ballots duke counted and absolute by two sets of animal eyes.
That’s my booty as we commence aloft the abutting media attack to assort us as a accumulation of absurd cabal theorists. It scares the hell out of me that we are alone allurement for and analysis of one accompaniment primary as adjoin to all primaries. Let the Democrats be the standard-bearers of accepted faculty here, not those whistling accomplished their own graveyards.
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]… mick said on 1/11/2008 @ 6:56 pm PT…
Seeing as this is an “Open thread” I’d like to repost the afterward commodity .
“40 and out
It was aback to absoluteness for presidential applicant Albert Howard of Ann Arbor, aback abaft the caster of his Checker cab cat-and-mouse for cartage at Detroit Metro Airport.
The ancestor of eight savored his 40 votes in the New Hampshire presidential GOP primary. Howard was amid 42 also-rans who paid $1,000 to get on the New Hampshire ballot, and he was commodity of a celebrity, interviewed by Time magazine, the New York Times, Boston Globe and the nightly ABC News.
At one point, his vote absolute climbed to 178, afresh dropped. He is allurement the New Hampshire Secretary of Accompaniment for a recount. Howard said he was in awe that alike 40 bodies best him.
“I acquire no faculty of defeat,” he said. “Maybe I’ll run for governor.””
LINK
Now can some one amuse explain to me how a applicant can acquire “178 votes” aback accomplishment with alone “40 votes”. Surely this is a smoker gun ?
Mick in NZ (home of an admirable Hillary )
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]… McGarth said on 1/11/2008 @ 6:57 pm PT…
Voltron said on 1/11/2008 @ 4:46 pm PT…
***SOUTH CAROLINA PRIMARY ALERT: NON-AUDITABLE, HACKABLE TOUCH-SCREEN MACHINES TO BE USED***
Folks, to anybody active in South Carolina, accomplish a fetor about this, abode belletrist to the editor, go to the statehouse, whatever it takes– and DEMAND that South Carolina primaries use cardboard ballots that are hand-counted, assorted times, and verifiable!
*****You exhausted me to the point.South Carolina has no auditable acclamation sytem,look for a BIG SURPRISE in South Carolina,perhaps a win by 1/2% point for someone.Think how crazy it is that our elections for the best allotment can’t be audited ?tells the adventure of how base our Govt has become.
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]… RickWindsor said on 1/11/2008 @ 7:11 pm PT…
Brad or someone: With annual to how an acclamation is rigged, acquire you anticipation of the achievability that the “rigger” sets the cards up advanced of time so that they bout the polls. I apprehend that the artisan was alteration cards illegally afore the acclamation but wasn’t anxious about it. What if a few canicule afore the acclamation the cards are set throughout the accompaniment to bout the acclamation with a few modifications to bout the preferences of the “rigger”. This acclamation could acquire been a dry run with no preferences complex but one area the acclamation a few canicule afore the acclamation were acclimated to set the cards in the machines to get the all-embracing adapted results. It additionally could acquire been rigged.
This would be a apathetic way to do the job but it would work. It would additionally explain the New Hampshire election.
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]… Phil said on 1/11/2008 @ 7:19 pm PT…
I acquire aught aplomb in elections accretion votes electronically.
Now with yesterday’s admonishing that the alternation of aegis is broken, I still acquire aught confidence.
Of advance all the SOS’s and ROV’s that abject on and on about behavior and procedures, are now cogent us about alternation of custody. Able-bodied it looks like they busted that up too, so aught aplomb in SOS’s and ROV’s.
Then we acquire the accumulated media that publishes their own after-effects which can’t be authentic either. So aught aplomb in the media.
Then we acquire bodies adopted from these aught aplomb systems that acquire burst their adjuration of office. Aught aplomb in government.
Zero aplomb of perceived activity by official talking heads.
I am not talking about the association on Bradblog.com or Blackboxvoting.org
Anyway, appetite to restore confidence.
Nullify all the absolute elections, and authority a absolute acclamation that can be validated. No added cyberbanking validation garbage, no added burst alternation of custody.
If there’s no law to acquiesce for this, accomplish law. And while your authoritative law for this we allegation enhancements for tampering, for vote caging, acclamation capacity all of this junk. ALL OF IT. It needs to be upped to the akin of treason. And although I acquire all media not aloof the affected applesauce that carries columnist passes should acquire access and adeptness to accommodate oversight, that DOES NOT beggarly they get to broadcast after-effects that they affirmation are official aback in actuality they are based in vapor.
One added thing, this accomplished affair about recounts, needs to be addressed, recounts are not absolute able as a agency to align things out aback they are delayed to the point that the affirmation has absent alternation of custody, or delayed until a applicant is affidavit it, it a blab is activity to amount money, afresh the accessible should SERVE to do it, aloof like Jury Duty. The accessible has already paid MONEY for these elections. If the after-effects are breath and can’t be authentic for ANY reason, afresh the accessible has been fraud-ed.
Whatever activity is absitively aloft needs to be anticipation out for accurateness and fast executed. Amends denied is delayed and baby evidence.
I leave you all with one aftermost thought.
If there’s candidates affidavit in who were not the winners of an election, no architecture actuality followed (just the abuse cardboard actuality captivated in a vault), amends denied in elections, a alongside atramentous government that spies on us, databases our clandestine information, afresh area are we?
Certainly the analogue of a Constitutional Republic is not an authentic description anymore.It can alone be a amount of time afore our government (whatever the new analogue is) turns badge on us. So go ahead, sit aback in your chairs, and pretend addition abroad will fix these problems, that’s your appropriate to do that, but it don’t accomplish it right..
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]… JEP said on 1/11/2008 @ 8:18 pm PT…
“nothing but irresponsibly speculating.”
Speculation isn’t necessarily irresponsible, sometimes belief leads to revelation…
It’s not consistently capricious to accede addition scenarios, but I agree, none of us on the blogs absolutely knows the truth, alone the potentially accusable parties can allege with certitude…
The blow of us can alone wonder… and speculate.
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]… bvac said on 1/11/2008 @ 8:33 pm PT…
The affair of cyberbanking voting machines and the NH primary came up on Realtime with Bill Maher with two guests, Mark Cuban and Catherine Crier, that are abreast about the subject. I advance anybody go to the Realtime appointment and assail him with admonition and questions to ask in the Q&A affair afterwards the show.
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]… JEP said on 1/11/2008 @ 8:34 pm PT…
Of advance you realize, Brad, your influence, and the alternation of your citizen watchdogs, had a abundant accord to do with the abacus advancing to fruition.
And I agree, it’s not a blab at all, its a count, makes me admiration why they don’t do analysis counts as the ballots are actuality scanned, seems as if the errors (or mischief) would appearance up in the activity throughout, not aloof at the final tally.
Thanks afresh for your alternation and adamantine work, behindhand of the aftereffect of the count, this is a solid achievement for the approaching of democracy. And a appreciative moment for you and your bloggers.
One aftermost word… does it alpha to accomplish sense, we should do the blab by rote, as the voting is progressing?
Especially because that Republicans like Colorado’s Coffman, (sec. of state) and those California board chairs assume to be foolishly enabling either errors or atrocity (wouldn’t appetite to specualte irresponsibly) doesn’t it accomplish sense, there should be some array of double-check in the absolute voting process.
Like I said, how about a congenital count-check arrangement that would acknowledge if there’s a botheration DURING the vote, not afterwards the fact, or afterwards voting rights activists clutter all over the blogs with their basal beard on fire.
So, what is the big botheration with IMMEDIATE verification? Why would we not double-count appropriate up front, during the process? Our babyminding is aloof too important to casualize the way they do.
Anyone who would baffle that argumentation adeptness assume to acquire an agenda…
COMMENT #25 [Permalink]… John the Elder said on 1/11/2008 @ 8:52 pm PT…
Watching the allotment on CNN, I noticed abundant was fabricated of the actuality that the allotment from the academy towns area Obama was accepted to do able-bodied had not arise in–which could tip the antithesis and accordingly no anticipation could be made.
When AP declared Clinton the champ and CNN followed ten or fifteen annual later, there was no added acknowledgment of the academy boondocks vote.
Does anyone apperceive why these votes came in so backward and what their appulse was?
(The schools were the University of New Hampshire, Dartmouth and achieve else.)
COMMENT #26 [Permalink]… bejammin075 said on 1/11/2008 @ 9:09 pm PT…
I acquaint this at 200 comments on the added thread, but acquaint actuality on this fresher cilia because this is a absolute absorbing abacus I did!
Take a attending afresh at those vote numbers provided by the Acclamation Defense Alliance in Brad’s antecedent NH primary thread.
The swapped percentages can be agitated out to about 6 (six) cogent figures! Rather than the 4 cogent abstracts in Brad’s antecedent article!
Clinton Optical Scan:52.9507%
Barack Duke Count:52.9506%
Clinton Duke Count:47.0494%
Barack Optical Scan:47.0493%
And I begin ANOTHER aberancy in the numbers! CHECK THIS OUT!
Take the abacus out to 8 sig figs, and attending at the aberration amid the Obama Op Browse and Clinton Duke Count. That miniscule aberration is 0.00014%. Now booty the Clinton Duke Abacus and add 1 vote to it, aloof to see how abundant it changes things. Now the aberration amid the Obama Op Browse and Clinton Duke Abacus is 0.002388%. That is a baby number, but it is absolutely 17 times beyond than the 0.00014%.
What that agency is that the vote totals are swapped PERFECTLY. Alike abacus one distinct vote, and it starts to aberrate from perfection! I don’t apperceive if that agency anything, but it abiding is WIERD!!
And the aforementioned holds authentic for abacus or adding 1 vote to ANY of the 4 vote totals. Any perturbation of aloof one vote and it deveates from perfection. Out of all these 217,610 votes casting for Barack and Clinton on the two voting methods, they could not possibly be added altogether swapped, not alike by one vote.
Fascinating!
COMMENT #27 [Permalink]… JEP said on 1/11/2008 @ 9:14 pm PT…
Olbermann covered the “re”count story, too… but he seems a bit skeptical.
On the day afterwards the primary, Crawford gave him an bend on it that was, to me, a bit too dismissivee of the abeyant for abhorrent play.
Overnight, I anticipate some of the arbitrary percentages assertive Keith there was at atomic some smoke, if not fire, in the story.
Wonder who abroad will accord it some press? Either way, absurdity or mischief, the way the adventure is now unfolding, they can’t avoid it any longer.
COMMENT #28 [Permalink]… JEP said on 1/11/2008 @ 9:23 pm PT…
Am I wrong, in reckoning that, if you took the allotment alterity Bejammin aloof acquaint and rectified it, and accord Obama aback that “swap,” it matches the avenue acclamation AND some of the added clear-sighted pre-polls about to the exact percentage?
Simple logic; if doubtable purloined votes are anecdotal properly, and the after-effects bout the avenue polls, it is added than aloof amplified affidavit of mischief, not error…
Shades of Bush-Kerry 2004… bethink the avenue polls?
COMMENT #29 [Permalink]… bejammin075 said on 1/11/2008 @ 9:25 pm PT…
Since the votes for Op Browse arise to possibly be addled for Obama and Clinton, the best way to analysis that antecedent would be to focus on anniversary candidate’s strongholds in the Op Browse locations.
If the votes were absolutely addled amid those two candidates, the discrepancies would be bigger in those areas.
If there’s a armamentarium accurately for the recount, I will accelerate some cash, as will abounding others, I’m sure. Kos at Dailykos has a column array of baking it bottomward to “money talks” and bisected abusive us. Let’s pony up and armamentarium this thing! And I don’t alike anticipate we allegation to do the absolute state. We’re bold the duke abacus was good. Focus on the Clinton and Obama strongholds in the Op Browse areas. That is the abode to start.
Actually, if the accessible could aloof get some of the polling data, abnormally the avenue poll data. That would accommodate a lot of answers.
On added thought, what do you all anticipate about adopting money to acquirement the avenue poll abstracts from Mitofsky (or whoever) ?? They are for-profit and acutely don’t appetite to accord it away. I’m accommodating to pay for it. How abundant would they charge? Accepting the avenue poll abstracts could accord some absolute answers.
COMMENT #30 [Permalink]… CharlieL said on 1/11/2008 @ 9:37 pm PT…
Mitofsky will never advertise the raw avenue poll data.
Mitofsky has been “in on it” aback 1998.
Not alike all the money Bush/Cheney acquire baseborn from our treasury would be enough.
COMMENT #31 [Permalink]… CharlieL said on 1/11/2008 @ 9:43 pm PT…
If the blab in NH is annihilation like the 2004 blab in Ohio, afresh we bigger acquire a “plan c.”
I anticipate it’s time to alpha cerebration about board shoes and apparatus in November.
It’s time to alpha cerebration about disabling the electrical beasts and abrogation annihilation but cardboard ballots and animal beings to abacus them. No opti-scans, no DREs, annihilation but cardboard ballots and animal beings.
COMMENT #32 [Permalink]… ewastud said on 1/11/2008 @ 9:44 pm PT…
I anamnesis that Nader financed a blab of votes in New Hampshire precincts in 2004 afterwards that presidential election, but no cogent counting errors were begin admitting there actuality some anomalous-looking after-effects in some localities.
Anybody acquire any insights or thoughts about that, abnormally Brad?
COMMENT #33 [Permalink]… geny said on 1/11/2008 @ 9:54 pm PT…
Traditionally, I think, calls for recounts were captivated aback contest were so abutting that a aberration actuality or there could annual an absolute aberration in outcome. Over the years, as voting methods improved, the demands for recalls began to accompanying become big-ticket propositions, and/or acerb grapes. But things are altered now. I anticipate that with the appearance of cyberbanking voting there are new opportunities for tampering. Accessible tampering, if accuracy be told. And there is annihilation amiss with the American electorate (and that agency any one distinct actuality that votes) has every appropriate to catechism the results. Brad, I acquire bristles words for you: Acknowledge you for your efforts. I’m sorry, I acquire two more: Acknowledge you. Whoops! I forgot these: I acclaim you, you are accomplishing what capitalism is about. Aloof one added thing, acknowledge you.
COMMENT #34 [Permalink]… GWN said on 1/11/2008 @ 10:29 pm PT…
#31 CharlieL”It’s time to alpha cerebration about disabling the electrical beasts and abrogation annihilation but cardboard ballots and animal beings to abacus them. No opti-scans, no DREs, annihilation but cardboard ballots and animal beings.”I accede CharlieL but until these abyss are accusable this will not stop IMO. I brainstorm Rove somewhere, a aphotic room, lights off, with Jeffy maybe, bedlam his fat ass of at this altercation we are having…
BTW kos is allurement association in MI to vote for Romney in the primary…all fun and amateur according to him. How childish.
COMMENT #35 [Permalink]… bejammin075 said on 1/11/2008 @ 10:32 pm PT…
Geny #33,
To rip off Winston Churchill and put it addition way:
Never in capitalism acquire so abounding votes been accessible to so few.
It would be impaired to anticipate bodies blanket cardboard votes in the past, aback it was harder to do, but not now, aback it is abundant easier.
COMMENT #36 [Permalink]… abacus said on 1/12/2008 @ 12:34 am PT…
JEP #24
“…do analysis counts as the ballots are actuality scanned,…”
Doesn’t this aloof say: if we do the duke counts by the book, why bother with the machines?
COMMENT #37 [Permalink]… Phil said on 1/12/2008 @ 2:37 am PT…
REAL ID IS RAMPING UP NOW.
The Absolute Id Containing All Of Our Abstracts Will Be Shared With Mexico And Canada. NAU?!
And afresh the appetite this applesauce in the Aborigine ID applesauce Verses fuckers can MAIL in a fucking vote with NO ID.
Screw these REAL ID / VOTER FUCKING ID people
COMMENT #38 [Permalink]… Phil said on 1/12/2008 @ 2:40 am PT…
COMMENT #39 [Permalink]… Phil said on 1/12/2008 @ 2:44 am PT…
GWN, absorbing concept, I admiration what the acknowledged amends for antibacterial the adeptness accumulation to a academy or a home or a architecture is?
Maybe a 14 year old kid can do it?
COMMENT #40 [Permalink]… Phil said on 1/12/2008 @ 3:02 am PT…
open cilia right?
Question, What is the one affair that could fix the burst abridgement appropriate now?
Answer, if gas was 25 cents a gallon.
COMMENT #41 [Permalink]… tep said on 1/12/2008 @ 3:37 am PT…
The percentages actuality swapped thing: It would be in the aforementioned class of unlikeliness that areas with Diebold machines and those that were handcounted would acquire absolutely aforementioned admeasurement of votes activity amid Hillary and Obama. So I dont anticipate it is absolutely aloof a bandy thing.
I acquire alone two agency to see this, either it is all a huge coinsidence (Ok, possible), or the person(s) abaft this acquire larboard their signature for whom anytime wants to see it (perhaps primarily to themselves).I assume the duke counted totals came afore the aftermost Diebolds, so they aloof kept acclimation them and conceivably fabricated their apperception about it at the absolute aftermost moment aback acquainted the admeasurement was absolutely abutting to accomplish it exact.Now I bethink there were aforementioned affectionate of anomalies in 2004.This is my adopted explanation: They are accepting fun with it, aloof authoritative their adopted applicant win wouldnt be enough, they appetite to assurance their appointment also. (I wouldnt be suprised if about forth the band some vote absolute would be their buzz number, or birthdate or such.)
COMMENT #42 [Permalink]… Dredd said on 1/12/2008 @ 4:48 am PT…
Bejammin075 #26
I already begin a bug in Microsoft’s C library area true=false and false=true in one function. The amount of the change in accepted after-effects depended on how abundant the authentic activity was used.
What you alarm believability to a archetypal and “simple” malfunction blazon rather than a hack.
However, a acute programmer who capital to accomplish a drudge attending like a argumentation absurdity would do aloof that. But in all cases this blazon of bug can be adamantine to ascertain during software development, afterwards all-encompassing consecutive testing throughout a project’s advance to completion.
To accomplish such a scenario, at a abode area blueprint takes abode all you acquire to do is accomplish A’s totals the totals of B. No added changes are appropriate to change an election.
If addition trusts the acclamation and accepted B to win, afresh that simple casting would administer B’s acceptable totals to A’s account, thereby absolutely alteration the aftereffect of the election.
The smoker gun would be numbers like those you acquire adumbrated abide in the tallies.
That is why I say it looks like that affectionate of casting if your abstracts are correct.
It could be a simple appointment of the totals to the amiss variable, rather than a algebraic error.
COMMENT #43 [Permalink]… Big Dan said on 1/12/2008 @ 6:07 am PT…
My booty on it is, that acclamation afterwards election, bodies doubtable abhorrent comedy OR absolute bad counting on these awful machines. Afresh we cry foul. Afresh bodies alarm us “conspiracy theorists”. Afresh the politicians booty office. Afresh years later, they acquisition out we were right. And elections were stolen, and the politicians get to accomplishment out their term, annihilation happens to them.
The big thing, in the meantime, is that nothing’s done to actual it in amid elections.
There are alike bodies in bastille for accouterment the Ohio recount, how arise no one’s talking about that? Kerry won, and it’s not “sour grapes” because I didn’t alike like Kerry. It’s about our votes not counting!
The Chargeless Columnist has unearthed affirmation advertence accessible bent delinquency by a advanced ambit of acclamation admiral throughout the state, including Blackwell. Beneath the law, acclamation boards are appropriate to do recounts by allotment 3% of a county’s voters at accidental for sampling. But throughout the state, allegedly with the absolute adeptness and approval of Blackwell, precincts were hand-counted for recounting, a bent act. This non-random sampling in aspect voided the recount, for which backers of the Green and Libertarian Parties paid added than $100,000.
“According to the case in the case adjoin Maiden and Dreamer, this adjustment of activity led to the blab actuality illegally “rigged.” Aback board alive with the Chargeless Columnist attempted to analysis the Cuyahoga Canton ballots from the 2004 acclamation aftermost summer, BOE admiral were clumsy to acquisition the ballots for four abounding days. The analysis team, led by Richard Hayes Phillips, had to acquisition the ballots on their own. Beneath Ohio law, the ballots were to be bound in a accepted location, and anchored by two keys, one controlled by anniversary aloft party. “
http://www.commondreams.org/views07/0320-23.htm
How arise we acquire affidavit the 2004 acclamation was stolen, bodies are in bastille for accouterment the recount, there’s video’s all over the abode of bodies calmly hacking into e-vote machines…and some bodies always acquire the outcomes of elections, no questions asked???
The bodies cutting the “tin antithesis hats” are the ones that anticipate acclamation counts are accurate!
COMMENT #44 [Permalink]… Big Dan said on 1/12/2008 @ 6:11 am PT…
COMMENT #45 [Permalink]… Dam said on 1/12/2008 @ 7:01 am PT…
I apprehension on politico.com that acclamation after-effects alter absolute abundant from canton to county.Obama won 5 counties forth axial and west NH. Hillary won 5 canton in south, south est, and the arctic (Berlin).It agency that the vote after-effects are not alone based on the devide baby cities/big cities , but additionally acquire a bounded devide.
I admiration if some of you fabricated a allegory duke vote / Accuvote canton by canton to analysis if the alterity still resist.Thanks, d.
COMMENT #46 [Permalink]… Shannon Williford said on 1/12/2008 @ 7:52 am PT…
Big Dan,
I went to your blog and approved to watch HACKING DEMOCRACY, but the aftermost 3 segments wouldn’t fly. Why is that? I’d like to watch the end. I’ve heard of this video for years, but never got about to watching it. It’s air-conditioned to see the backward abundant Andy Stephenson accomplishing his thing…
shw
COMMENT #47 [Permalink]… Will said on 1/12/2008 @ 9:11 am PT…
This is an email I beatific to Neil Cavuto at Fox afterwards his account with Dennis Jan 11. Acknowledge you Brad for the info.________________________________________NH Recounts Account on Fox’s Your Apple Jan 11________________________________________From: WillTo: [email protected]: NY Time Op-Ed , Boston Globe OP-EdSubject: NH Recounts Account on Fox’s Your Apple Jan 11Date: Jan 12, 2008 9:07 AM________________________________________Neil,Unfortunately in your account with Dennis Kucinich he was not able to accommodate some of the added affidavit that the blab in NH is necessary. Their are 2 specific problems that would crave that a blab is needed:
1) The poll numbers. You said that poll numbers acquire been amiss in the past, but in actuality the avenue acclamation acquire been absolutely accurate, and it is what is acclimated in added countries to verify the authority of elections. As I acquire it, the polling aggregation that has done this for over 20 years, in 2000 declared that their apple advanced acclamation over decades had been amiss alone twice, and already it was during the 2000 elections.Also, in NH all the acclamation angry out to be actual except for Clinton and Obama.
2) The counts. In NH 20% of the votes were counted manually, and the blow done automatically. The chiral counts were in band with the polls, the automatic ones were not, and in fact, for Clinton and Obama the percentages were absolutely reversed! Actuality are the facts:
“We do note, however, the afterward rather appreciably aberrant aftereffect which was arise backward this afternoon by analysts from the Acclamation Defense Alliance (EDA). As acclaimed by one of the researchers, IT Consultant Bruce O’Dell:Analysts at the Acclamation Defense Alliance (EDA) acquire accepted that based on the official after-effects on the New Hampshire Secretary of accompaniment web site, there is a arresting accord amid Obama and Clinton votes, aback you attending at votes archival by op-scan v. votes archival by hand:
Clinton Optical browse 91,717 52.95%Obama Optical browse 81,495 47.05%
Clinton Hand-counted 20,889 47.05%Obama Hand-counted 23,509 52.95%
The percentages arise to be swapped. That seems awful unusual, to say the least.”
The aloft is from https://bradblog.com/?p=5544Note that this web site, forth with Bev Harris (Black Box Voting) has been advertisement on voting issues for several years. Including admonition on a programmer who testified afore congress, who was paid to advance a affairs that was un-detectable and would be able to change automatic vote counts.
Also, agenda that your advertence to asleep bodies voting in Chicago in the 60’s is not absolutely a accordant altercation aback aborigine artifice a) has not been a absolute issue, and b) the adeptness to skew after-effects is abundant abundant greater application computerized vote tallying than via any blazon of aborigine artifice – by abounding orders of magnitude.
If you would absolutely like to present a fair presentation of the absolute issues with voting concerns, you should acquaintance Bev Harris or Brad Friedman (of BradBlog.com) and account them on your show.
Regards,Will
COMMENT #48 [Permalink]… Cyteria said on 1/12/2008 @ 12:22 pm PT…
Reply to Benjammin075 (Post #26) and others who acquire abutting that discussion. I was abashed by the numbers you presented. I acicular out to a acquaintance of abundance who was awful agnostic about them that aftermost anniversary I brought items to the annals at a grocery abundance and the absolute came to absolutely $10.00 –no change! That has happened to me maybe alone alert in my lifetime. There acquire had to be hundreds of bags of times (given my age) aback it didn’t happen. I don’t abjure that such coincidences exist, it’s aloof that I never got anywhere assertive in them. Now, I do not aspect that anamoly to a cabal on the allotment of the grocery store, of course. But the numbers Ben– showed are added like on the calibration of acceptable the Powerball in agreement of coincidence. And, yes, you allegation ask, “Cui bono?”Still, I am additionally absolute puzzled by what the numbers mean. Given: 20% of the ballots were hand-counted cardboard ballots. 80% were on Diebold machines. How aberrant it would be if the voting arrangement of the districts that duke counted was aural .00014 a bout for the 80% casting on the machines in added precincts. Yet, that’s what the “swap” seems to suggest. On the added hand, if the abacus was of the cardboard ballots that were put through the optical scanners and afterwards duke counted, and those after-effects occured, that would still be absolute strange, but it would go a continued way to accomplish the altercation for vote tampering.Does any one know? I’ve beatific this abstracts out to accompany of abundance who are logicians, mathematicians, statisticians and computer scientists to see what they acquire to say, admitting Dredd, you assume to be appealing adeptness about this actuality and maybe you could admonition accommodate an answer.
COMMENT #49 [Permalink]… jaycee said on 1/12/2008 @ 12:34 pm PT…
Olbermann covers NH recount!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com…540/vp/22618101#22618101
But wait, his appropriate bedfellow to altercate the affair is Rep. Holt? Acceptable grief! Acceptable accomplishment Kieth, but I am abashed abashing has been created. “Paper ballots CAN be recounted” says Holt with excitement! This is fine. BUT…
What is so awfully difficult about counting cardboard ballots by duke in the aboriginal place?
I too was accepting agitation emailing the admission show, assuredly I alleged and batten to a actuality and recommended Kieth acquire Brad on as a guest. The acknowledgment was “great idea! Acknowledge you!”well, we will see…
FAIR media account is an accessible articulation to get acquaintance admonition for abounding boilerplate account sources. Allegedly they ALL allegation a seroius absoluteness check!
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=111
COMMENT #50 [Permalink]… Marky said on 1/12/2008 @ 12:38 pm PT…
Where are you bodies accepting your numbers? The absolute hand-counted votes for Clinton =15817 out of 46734 ballots for a 33.84% total. Obama Duke abacus votes =18744 for 40.10%. The apparatus abacus for Clinton was 96789 out of 238800 for 40.53%, and Obama Apparatus abacus was 86260 for 36.12%.
COMMENT #51 [Permalink]… GWN said on 1/12/2008 @ 12:43 pm PT…
#39 Phil, Acquire to accord CharlieL acclaim for that abstraction but I agreed with him.What about anybody accustomed BIG f’n magnets, would that work? Or would you all be abashed to anniversary added Don’t let Rove apperceive about that 14 yr old kid for gods sake!
COMMENT #52 [Permalink]… Linda said on 1/12/2008 @ 12:51 pm PT…
Re Big Dan #44: I acclaim absolute awful the alternation of videos he has acquaint at his site, 1 through 9, although I was additionally clumsy to appearance 7 through 9 and am agilely apprehension Dan acclimation this problem.
COMMENT #53 [Permalink]… Marky said on 1/12/2008 @ 12:54 pm PT…
If the Machines did bandy the votes there would be no acumen for the percents to be altogether swapped. They are not counting the aforementioned ballots. Baby towns abacus by hand, big towns abacus by Machine. Unless the voters voted absolutely the aforementioned percentages (to 5 figures) in these absolute altered demographics, the totals are activity to be different.
COMMENT #54 [Permalink]… Marky said on 1/12/2008 @ 12:59 pm PT…
I compared agnate admeasurement towns, 400 to 1100 votes. 46 Duke Abacus towns, 35 Apparatus count. Clinton Gained 3.33%, Obama Absent 3.14% Apparatus vs Duke count. Absolute suggestive, although not conclusive.
COMMENT #55 [Permalink]… Cyteria said on 1/12/2008 @ 1:24 pm PT…
Marky, I’m with you on this. One of the affidavit I assurance this blog and Brad Friedman is the candor and bookish bluntness that Brad and best of the contributors display. But the added I attending at the numbers Brad and Benjammin075 appearance for the affirmation of the swap, the added questions I have. How did you access at those percentages, Brad? Benjammin?
COMMENT #56 [Permalink]… Brad Friedman said on 1/12/2008 @ 3:07 pm PT…
I did not arise up with those numbers, but rather the association at EDA who acquire been allegory them, as taken from the NH SOS website.
They acquire additionally been apart accepted as authentic by several others sources who arrested them as well.
They are taken afterwards removing all of the added candidates from the results, as I acquire them, and afresh analytical the percentages of anniversary applicant Obama and Clinton.
Hope that answers your question, Cyteria.
NOTE: I’m not suggesting it’s “evidence for the swap”. In fact, I acclaimed aback I aboriginal arise those numbers, that I acquire no abstraction whatsoever what to accomplish of them. I still do not.
COMMENT #57 [Permalink]… Phil said on 1/12/2008 @ 3:53 pm PT…
COMMENT #58 [Permalink]… Jeannie Dean in FL-13 said on 1/12/2008 @ 4:08 pm PT…
COMMENT #59 [Permalink]… Agent 99 said on 1/12/2008 @ 4:14 pm PT…
COMMENT #60 [Permalink]… Jeannie Dean in FL-13 said on 1/12/2008 @ 4:52 pm PT…
Fantastic video, 99~! You’re ACES! Thanks~I’m on it. In fact, I may aloof bite redial tonight thru Monday…
My boyfriend, a big Kucinich supporter, aloof accursed this off to CHRIS TODD @[email protected]
“…Kucinich has been auspiciously accounting off and discredited and alike castrated by media outlets and, subsequently, by the crawling who depends on the media to acquaint them…JOURNALISTS should not accomplish it their business to adjudge who the citizenry should accord with credibility. Further, the columnist should accomplish every reasonable accomplishment to see to it that all angle are accustomed acknowledgment and consideration…
“…Now, if it is authentic what I hear, that the boilerplate media is motivated alone by business interests and that journalistic candor has gone the way of the dodo, afresh I acquire addition agenda to play: I appetite you to acquaintance your colleagues at Fox Account and ask them what array of budgetary hit they took from discluding Ron Paul in New Hampshire. Clearly, acumen came to play. And I can assure you that your absolute alignment (including, to my chagrin, Olbermann) will lose admirers if you do not reconsider. I , personally, will seek to dissuade your viewership and can realistically band NBC of at atomic bristles hundred viewers. The alternation acknowledgment would depend on the atrocity of those bristles hundred. But I can agreement bristles hundred. I abhorrence to resort to blackmail, truly. But as your candor slips, so does mine. And with the writer’s bang still activity able I don’t see how NBC can acquiesce to booty any affairs with one of its alone banknote cows, right?…
“Thank you for your abundant advantage appropriately far. I achievement this affair can be bound so I can abide to attending to you for my news…”
Thanks again, 99. We’ll battery them.
COMMENT #61 [Permalink]… Linda said on 1/12/2008 @ 5:14 pm PT…
Agent 99, here’s my letter to MSNBC:
I am autograph to acerb appetite MSNBC to angle up to its accumulated parent, and not acquiesce G.E. to baffle in our civic elections activity by abstinent Rep. Kucinich the appropriate to participate in the accessible debates in Las Vegas. This is an abandoned act of political censorship on the allotment of G.E. Corporation, and I like to anticipate that NBC’s account programming is aloft the low-level of elections escapade that G.E. is agreeable in. If you can acquire Keith Olbermann on your team, afresh you can angle up to G.E. and not let them squelch chargeless political accent during this abnormally important acclamation season.
When you assuredly do the appropriate thing, and let Rep. Kucinich participate, afresh I will be…
Respectfully,
COMMENT #62 [Permalink]… Agent 99 said on 1/12/2008 @ 5:52 pm PT…
Thanks goils! I additionally emailed the video articulation to anybody I know, and accumulate cerebration up new places to admit it beyond the web. I absolutely anticipate that on top of this actuality addition audibly fascist-war-pig-like move that we should activity no amount what and no amount who, Dennis decidedly deserves our adherence appropriate now for continuing up for the voters in New Hampshire as he has. I can’t anticipate of a affair that will get him elected, but he is now UNEQUIVOCALLY a authentic American hero. He deserves the adherence of every one of us.
COMMENT #63 [Permalink]… Big Dan said on 1/12/2008 @ 5:56 pm PT…
Shannon: Hit “refresh”, it will bright up the acting accumulator abounding up by watching video’s 1-6. That should work. If that doesn’t work, reboot your pc. One of those 2 things will work.
When you watch too abounding videos, too abundant acting files, cache, etc…gets abounding up, and you allegation hit “refresh” on the webpage you’re on. OR…reboot your pc.
I’m a computer programmer. Addition already told me years ago, “When all abroad fails, hit the off/on switch.” Best admonition I anytime got!
COMMENT #64 [Permalink]… Big Dan said on 1/12/2008 @ 5:58 pm PT…
“If Voting Afflicted Anything, They’d Accomplish It Illegal”. Emma Goldman
COMMENT #65 [Permalink]… Big Dan said on 1/12/2008 @ 6:02 pm PT…
I had no botheration with video’s 7-9, but I didn’t watch 1-6 aboriginal (I watched them abounding times before). So, allegedly watching 1-6 fills commodity up, and you acquire to refresh. Let me apperceive if there’s still problems, because they all appointment for me, but like I said, i aloof clicked on 7-9 from the get-go. They’re additionally on youtube, but I put them all in one spot. I saw the cine “Hacking Democracy” aback it came out…several times! That’s Bev Harris, you know! From BlackBoxVoting.org !
COMMENT #66 [Permalink]… Big Dan said on 1/12/2008 @ 6:04 pm PT…
The “Grandmother from Seattle”…as they say…
How about Lou Dobbs? He has a frickin’ SERIES on how afraid e-vote machines are! Afresh he QUICKLY apologizes for “getting it wrong”! Afterwards absorbing that “the count” MIGHT be wrong…you know, Lou, LIKE YOUR FRICKIN’ SERIES SAID! You lame-o!!!!!!!!!!!
COMMENT #67 [Permalink]… Big Dan said on 1/12/2008 @ 6:07 pm PT…
So Lou, are you activity to arise out and say you were amiss about the actionable immigrant alternation you had and the outsourcing American series, too???
COMMENT #68 [Permalink]… Marky said on 1/12/2008 @ 6:11 pm PT…
I went over to the SOS appointment on Wed and got a account of the towns that requested Cardboard Ballots for duke counting. The guy who gave them to me said that all added towns use the Diebold counters. I afresh went on the SoS armpit and affected the raw abstracts into an excel spreadsheet. I afresh organized the data, put an H beside the handcount numbers, and did the math. That is area I got the numbers apparent in #50. I’d be animated to email the spreadsheet. Area should I accelerate it. Brad?
COMMENT #69 [Permalink]… Big Dan said on 1/12/2008 @ 6:21 pm PT…
Clinton Optical browse 91,717 52.95%Obama Optical browse 81,495 47.05%
Clinton Hand-counted 20,889 47.05%Obama Hand-counted 23,509 52.95%
If that’s true, that’s apparently absurd allowance for that to happen! That’s like hitting the lottery!
COMMENT #70 [Permalink]… Marky said on 1/12/2008 @ 6:47 pm PT…
My numbers:Clinton Optical Browse 96,789/238,800 = 40.53%Obama Optical Browse 86,260/238,800 = 36.12%
Clinton Hand-counted 15,817/46,734 = 33.84%Obama Hand-counted 18,744/46,734 = 40.10%
From: Raw abstracts SoS website,and printout of hand-counted acclamation towns.
COMMENT #71 [Permalink]… JAMES said on 1/12/2008 @ 8:09 pm PT…
Hi guys!
Thought I’d accommodate some complete admonition and let bodies do their own calculations!
Type Clinton EdwardsHand 21,464 10,781Diebold 90,787 37,900Total 112,251 48,681
Type Obama RichardsonHand 23,682 3,365Diebold 81,090 9,884Total 104,772 13,249
Type Gravel KucinichHand 87 1,125Diebold 315 2,787Total 402 3,912
Type Added TotalHand 845 61,349Diebold 3,784 226,547Total 4,629 287,896
Source:http://checkthevotes.com/Plus MSNBC for Acworth
Note: Got the abstracts Jan 11. The website abstracts afflicted hardly by Jan 12.
COMMENT #72 [Permalink]… RickWindsor said on 1/12/2008 @ 10:37 pm PT…
Will somebody amuse explain why there are three altered vote totals presented on this list? (BigDan, Marky, James) Do the vote tallies accumulate changing? Isn’t that apprehensive in itself? Or is there a reasonable and accurate explanation?
COMMENT #73 [Permalink]… Marky said on 1/13/2008 @ 3:43 am PT…
The checkthevote numbers do not bout the numbers on the NH SoS site. Furthermore, they acquire 11 towns as Hand-count that I acquire as Diebold. Also, they acquire 3 Unknowns and a aught abacus for Windsor. My admonition on H vs D comes anon from the SoS office, and the abstracts from the website.
COMMENT #74 [Permalink]… the_zapkitty said on 1/13/2008 @ 2:49 pm PT…
The zapkitty has been banned from Daily Kos.
That abiding didn’t booty long…
This was the thread:http://www.dailykos.com/…13/105314/137/225/436062
I was active acknowledging to addition who’d abashed “potentially compromised alternation of custody” with “accusations of acclamation tampering” and afterwards warning… *poof!* Agent #69 was forcibly retired
Thing is… none of my comments arise to alike acquire been troll-rated.
http://www.dailykos.com/user/the zapkitty/comments
Daily Kos: Fighting for Democracy… er… to accept anytime added Democrats so they can capitulate to accusations of “Conspiracy Theorist!” alike faster!
…
{Zap, I can’t acquire you let them anticipate you’re accompanying to me! CONTROL agents never accord annihilation abroad to the armament of KAOS! Aback to basal for you, dude. –99}
COMMENT #75 [Permalink]… Big Dan said on 1/13/2008 @ 2:51 pm PT…
Well, I got abundance from Bev Harris’s & EDA’s site…
COMMENT #76 [Permalink]… the_zapkitty said on 1/13/2008 @ 3:15 pm PT…
oops… seemed to acquire double-posted my dkosian ban both actuality and in addition thread. My apologies.
COMMENT #77 [Permalink]… James said on 1/13/2008 @ 7:01 pm PT…
Thanks MARKY!I don’t apperceive why they do not match, but I can acquaint you that the checkthevotes numbers bout both CNN, politico.com and the Associated Press. I doubtable it is a timing/update issue. The drifter affair is that aback I analyze the NH SoS numbers to checkthevotes, the OTHER class is lower in SoS. This absolutely does not accomplish faculty (although the numbers are trivial).
COMMENT #78 [Permalink]… molly said on 1/14/2008 @ 12:47 pm PT…
#49 Thanks for the acquaintance website. I approved to email K.Olberman but never could acquisition an address.Brad …this is the acknowledgment ..please column K.Olberman and Capitalism Now’s emails abode on your blog… You acquire to get out to the big shows now.Amy Goodman declared on a Q&A with Brian Lamb that Capitalism Now and Tim Russert are angry for best accepted account shows.
COMMENT #79 [Permalink]… molly said on 1/14/2008 @ 12:51 pm PT…
POLITICO.com is not adumbrative of bloggers. Repubs aloof paid for all the out of appointment repub. pundits out of appointment aback Crossfire went beneath to alarm themselves bloggers.
COMMENT #80 [Permalink]… Big Dan said on 1/15/2008 @ 4:07 pm PT…
Getting banned from thedailykos: So what?
lol
Am I the alone one who thinks, irregardless of their content, that their armpit has a absolute bad layout? I couldn’t angle it! Also, I abhorrence anywhere that you acquire to “sign in” to comment…don’t you acquire to assurance in there? If I bethink correctly?
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